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Informacion placas de video – Notebook

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emi_1988

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15:24 19/02/2009

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Muchachos dejo un interesante post de otro foro de la pagina notebookreview y mas precisamente del usuario Chaz. Esta en ingles pero se entiende y deja muy en claro los diferentes segmentos de placas de video en notebooks. Vale aclarar que a veces, dada la situacion de nuestro pais y sus precios, una notebook con una excelente placa de video termina a un precio de locos y para unos pocos y no siempre se consigue lo mejor.

Index:

1. Video Card comparison

A. Integrated Cards
B. Low-End and Midrange Cards
C. Performance Cards
D. High-End Cards

THE BIG CHART

2. What kind of GPU do I need?
3. Information about video memory

Section 1: Video Card comparison

A. Integrated Graphics Processors

What are Integrated Graphics Processors (IGPs)? They are a simple graphics controller located on the motherboard. IGPs (with few exceptions) do not have their own memory and cannot play complex 3D games. Integrated graphics cards are not for gaming – office work, DVD watching, and web surfing is near the limit of their capabilities. They can be found in almost any size notebook, from those with a 10.6” screen to 17”. Advantages of an IGP include low power consumption and virtually no heat.

Although IGP performance is for the most part irrelevant, they are rated below from lowest-performing to highest:

Intel GMA900
Intel GMA950
ATI Radeon Xpress 200M
Nvidia GeForce Go6100/6150
ATI Radeon Xpress 1100/1150
ATI Radeon Xpress 1200/1250
Intel GMA X3100
Nvidia GeForce 7150M
Intel GMA X4500
Nvidia GeForce 8200M
ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3200
Nvidia GeForce 9400M

The Nvidia GeForce 9400M is the fastest integrated GPU on the market, followed by the ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3200. Put in perspective, the HD 3200 is about as fast as a dedicated Nvidia GeForce 8400M-GS in some modern games. The 8200M is also quite fast, almost matching a Go7400 (special thanks to forum member R4000 for submitting information about this GPU).
The Intel X4500 is a new integrated GPU that comes with the latest Intel 'Montevina' Centrino 2 platform. It is noticeably faster than the previous X3100, but still not up to par with ATI's and Nvidia's integrated GPUs, especially when it comes to game compatibility.

The GeForce Go6150 and Radeon X200M are very similar in performance, while the X1150 improves on them by about 30% in terms of overall performance.
IGPs have no memory of their own – they borrow it from the main system memory. Some IGPs, such as the Radeon X200M/X1150 can have some dedicated memory (64-128MB max.), but that is not common.

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B. Low-end and Midrange Video Cards

Even if you are a non-gamer, it is sometimes worth it to get a dedicated video card. A dedicated video card can handle high-definition video decoding, significantly reducing the processor's workload. In addition, it is better to have a dedicated GPU for driving external displays and HDTVs since they will have better performance.

Low-end video cards can be found in notebooks of all sizes. If you are looking for an ultraportable (12” and less), then you probably won't get a dedicated card and don't want one anyway since small notebooks with dedicated video cards can get quite warm, and they drain power.

From lowest to highest performance:

Nvidia GeForce Go6200
ATI Mobility Radeon X300
Nvidia GeForce Go6400
Nvidia GeForce Go7200
Nvidia GeForce Go7300
ATI Mobility Radeon X1300
ATI Mobility Radeon X1350
ATI Mobility Radeon X2300
ATI Mobility Radeon X1400/X1450
Nvidia GeForce 9200M-G/GS
Nvidia GeForce 8400M-G/GS
ATI Mobility Radeon HD 2400
Nvidia GeForce 9300M-G/GS
Nvidia GeForce 9400M-G
ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3450/3470

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C. Performance Video Cards

Now we're talking. Hardcore gamers and those looking for the best visual experience in a 15.4” or smaller notebook should target these cards. They can be found in anything from a 14” to a 17” notebook, and have ample power to play the latest games at the highest settings or close to it. Power consumption is higher than that of the mid-range cards, but still balanced. It is not hard to find a notebook with one of these cards that still has good (2.5+ hours) battery life.

From lowest to highest performance:

Nvidia GeForce Go6600
ATI Mobility Radeon X700
Nvidia GeForce 8400M-GT
Nvidia GeForce Go7600
ATI Mobility Radeon X1600
ATI Mobility Radeon X1700
ATI Mobility Radeon X2500
Nvidia GeForce Go7700
Nvidia GeForce 8600M-GS
Nvidia GeForce 9500M-G
Nvidia GeForce Go7600GT
ATI Mobility Radeon HD 2600 DDR2
Nvidia GeForce 8600M-GT DDR2/Nvidia GeForce 9500M-GS DDR2 (same card)

ATI Mobility Radeon HD 2600 GDDR3
Nvidia GeForce 9600M-GS
Nvidia GeForce 8600M-GT GDDR3
ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650 DDR2
Nvidia GeForce 9600M-GT DDR2/9650M-GT DDR2
ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650 GDDR3
Nvidia GeForce 9600M-GT GDDR3
Nvidia GeForce 8700M-GT/Nvidia GeForce 9650M-GS (same card)
Nvidia GeForce 9700M-GT

The Nvidia 9500M-GS and the 9650M-GS are not actually anything new, merely die shrinks of the current 8600M-GT and 8700M-GT respectively; everything else down to the clocks themselves are the exact same. They are nothing to get excited about and offer basically no performance increase over the existing cards. Why Nvidia is passing them off as a new generation is unknown.

The 8600M-GT is significantly faster than the 8600M-GS – the main difference between them is that the -GT has double the stream processors. See benchmarks for these cards here. Both of these cards are DirectX 10 compliant. The Nvidia 8400M-GT is in a different class than the 8400M-GS because it has a 128-bit memory bus. It is a fast card, just under the Go7600/X1600.
I have classified the 8700M-GT as a performance card because it has a 128-bit memory bus. A true high-end card has a 256-bit bus. Even though it outperforms high-end cards like the Go7900GS in synthetic 3DMark05 benchmarks, it will most likely fall behind it in high-resolution gaming performance.

For a comparison between the Go7600 and X1600, see this thread.
The ATI Radeon X1700 and GeForce Go7700 are only found in a select few notebooks at the moment. The X1700 offers near-identical performance to the X1600; read more about it here. The X2500 is the same card as the X1700 except it has a different name – ATI obviously did it for marketing reasons. Don't be fooled. The GeForce Go7700 is without a doubt faster than the X1700, although not by a huge amount.

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D. High-end Video Cards

If you are looking for the best possible 3D performance in a notebook, the below cards are the fastest out there. You won't find them in anything short of a 17” notebook. They have considerable power requirements and produce equally high amounts of heat, hence the 17” size notebook is needed to house a cooling system for them. High-end video cards can handle all the latest games at high resolutions and maximum settings.

From lowest to highest performance:

Nvidia GeForce Go7800
ATI Mobility Radeon X1800
Nvidia GeForce Go7900GS
ATI Mobility Radeon X1900
Nvidia GeForce Go7800GTX
ATI Mobility Radeon X1800XT
Nvidia GeForce 8600M-GT SLI
Nvidia GeForce Go7900GTX
Nvidia GeForce Go7950GTX
Nvidia GeForce 9700M-GTS
Nvidia GeForce 8700M-GT SLI
Nvidia GeForce 9800M-GS
Nvidia GeForce 8800M-GTS
Nvidia GeForce 9800M-GTS
Nvidia GeForce Go7950GTX SLI
ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3870
Nvidia GeForce 8800M-GTX/9800M-GT
Nvidia GeForce 9800M-GTX
ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4850
ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4870
Nvidia GeForce 9800M-GTS SLI
ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3870 CrossFire
Nvidia GeForce 8800M-GTX SLI/9800M-GT SLI
Nvidia GeForce 9800M-GTX SLI
ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4870 CrossFire

The single fastest card here is the just-released ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4870.

Nvidia SLI is a mixed bag, and is not worth it in my opinion. See the SLI performance article on NotebookReview.com here.

An interesting card here is the Nvidia 9800M-GS, which is basically an 8800M/9800M-GTS with lowered clockspeeds.

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THE BIG CHART

This chart ranks every current notebook GPU's performance from least at the top to greatest at the bottom.

ATI Mobility Radeon X1600
ATI Mobility Radeon X1700
Nvidia GeForce 8400M-GT
Nvidia GeForce Go7700
Nvidia GeForce Go7600GT
Nvidia GeForce 9500M-G
ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3450/3470
Nvidia GeForce 8600M-GS
Nvidia GeForce Go7800
ATI Mobility Radeon X1800
ATI Mobility Radeon HD 2600 DDR2
Nvidia GeForce 8600M-GT DDR2/9500M-GS
ATI Mobility Radeon HD 2600 GDDR3
Nvidia GeForce 8600M-GT GDDR3
Nvidia GeForce 9600M-GT DDR2
Nvidia GeForce 9650M-GT DDR2
ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650/3670
Nvidia GeForce Go7900GS
Nvidia GeForce 9600M-GT GDDR3
ATI Mobility Radeon X1900
Nvidia GeForce Go7800GTX
ATI Mobility Radeon X1800XT
Nvidia GeForce 8700M-GT/9650M-GS
Nvidia GeForce 9700M-GT
Nvidia GeForce 8600M-GT SLI
Nvidia GeForce 9700M-GTS
Nvidia GeForce Go7900GTX
Nvidia GeForce Go7950GTX
Nvidia GeForce 8700M-GT SLI
Nvidia GeForce 9800M-GS
Nvidia GeForce 8800M-GTS
Nvidia GeForce Go7950GTX SLI
ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3870
Nvidia GeForce 8800M-GTX/9800M-GT
Nvidia GeForce 9800M-GTX
ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4850
ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4870
Nvidia GeForce 9800M-GTS SLI
ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3870 CrossFire
Nvidia GeForce 8800M-GTX SLI/9800M-GT SLI
Nvidia GeForce 9800M-GTX SLI
ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4870 CrossFire

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Section 2: What kind of video card do I need?

If…..

-You don't play games
-You want the best battery life
-Portability is very important
….Then you are looking for a notebook with integrated graphics.

If…..

-You don't require the best visual graphics, but just want to play occasional games
….Then a low-end video card should serve you well. Mid-range will also do, but not entirely necessary.

If…..

-Your gaming needs are moderate, you want to balance visual quality and don't want to spend a lot
….Then a mid-range card would suit you best.

If….

-You are a frequent gamer and want to enjoy a game at higher settings
-You want to retain some portability and battery life
…..Then a performance-class video card is what to shoot for.

If….

-You want to play the latest games on the highest settings
-Portability and battery life aren't of the highest priorities
….Then you're looking at a high-end card and a 17”+ notebook.

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Section 3: Information About Video Memory

“How much video memory do you need?” is a common question these days. Answer – 256MB to be able to comfortably handle the latest games. 128MB doesn't cut it, as modern games use high-resolution textures that need the extra memory.

Most gamers should not have any problems playing games on a 256MB card. For the best performance, look for notebooks that have video cards with GDDR3 memory, which can have significantly higher clocks than DDR2 cards.

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anfisic

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15:42 19/02/2009

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Muy interesante. Tambien habria que acotar que algunas notebooks con GF8400 y 8600 que se consiguen en el pais a buen precio fueron desechadas por contener los malditos chips Nvidia fallados, asi que cuidado con eso.
Yo tengo una GF8400 y no me preocupa que caliente mucho o poco porque no la uso para jugar (esa notebook esta con linux), solo para ver peliculas. La verdad es que visto a la distancia hubiera preferido comprarle la placa de sonido que va en el puerto Express card antes que el video dedicado. Los gamers que quieran una notebook para jugar tienen que pensar en gastos de U$S2000 para arriba, dinero con el que se compran una desktop gamer importante, asi que no le veo el sentido.
Desde mi optica, las notebooks con placa de video dedicada que se venden por estas tierras pueden servir para los que laburan en disenho y para aquellos que quieren ver peliculas con cierta calidad, pero no para los gamers argentinos, salvo que puedan gastar el dinero que implica importarse una laptop de esas.
De todos modos, vale el aporte. Muy bueno.

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emi_1988

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16:17 19/02/2009

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Si, es verdad anfisc. En argentina tenemos que fijarnos mas en donde dice "Integrated Graphics Processors" y tal ves "Low-end and Midrange Video Cards" para aspirar a lo mejorcito en estas tierras. Pero por lo menos yo logre conseguir una compaq cq50-103la a $2400 en una promocion de navidad de coto. Viene con la geforce 8200m, que no es suuuuper grosa pero ahora estoy jugando al rainbow six vegas, en 800x600 con detalles bajos (no minimos) y es re jugable. Por eso es mas para tenere en cuenta esos segmentos por aca.

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pabloc74

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17:18 19/02/2009

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te olvidaste de esta….

ASUS chose last month's CES event to announce its flagship gaming notebook, the W90. Usual high-end specifications aside, the most distinct component used in it is the ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4870 X2, AMD's flagship mobile graphics platform, which is on the brink of snatching the performance crown away from NVIDIA for the platform. A North American sales representative for ASUS tells GPU Café that the W90 will be available from February 23, which perhaps makes it the launch-date for the Mobility HD 4870 X2. It is also noted that the Mobility HD 4670 will be out around the same time, while Mobility HD 4850 will arrive a week or two later.

XtremeSystems forum member Kinc posted some early performance numbers relating to the Mobility HD 4870 X2, featured on the ASUS W90 with an Intel Core 2 Quad T9400, which effortlessly overclocked to 4 GHz on the notebook's stock cooling system. The Mobility HD 4870 X2 carried clock speeds of 600/900 MHz (core/memory). The notebook used Intel's X38 core-logic. At the said parameters, it was put through 3DMark 06. The notebook secured a score of 20,284 3DMarks at default setting. When released, the Mobility Radeon HD 4870 X2 will replace NVIDIA GeForce 9800M GTX SLI as the fastest mGPU solution, replicating a similar feat by its desktop cousin.

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emi_1988

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17:48 19/02/2009

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Todavia no salio :P

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danielv

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20:24 19/02/2009

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no quiero saber nada de placas de video de notebooks, a mi se me fundió la GEFORCE GO7600 de mi HP Pavilion dv9000. Ahora me estan por conseguir un mother nuevo de USA para reemplazar todo porque el GPU viene soldado al micro.

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emi_1988

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21:29 19/02/2009

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Uh capo que bajon. Yo tenia una compaq v3415la y tambien se habia jodido el mother pero por suerte estaba en garantia y en 15 dias ya estaba en mi casa de vuelta. Ahora esa notebook la tiene mi hermana y ya tiene casi dos años y anda de 10. Ahora yo tengo una compaq cq50-103, la de la firma, hace 3 meses ya, pero es pronto para dar un veredicto. MI viejo tiene una compaq v3614 con sempron y geforce 7150 pero esa maquinita es una masa no levanta nada de temperatura, el sempron en idle baja hasta 35°c re bien. Lo peor es que le hechan la culpa a hp pero la verdadera culpable es nvidia. Estoy 99% seguro que es por eso que ahora las compaq nuevas vienen con micro, chipset, y gpu todo intel. Rendiran menos pero seran mas confiables nose… yo con esta geforce 8200m hasta ahora movio todo juego que le instale.

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danielv

entradas: 888

21:44 19/02/2009

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si, la proxima notebook que me compre va a ser una con video INTEL o ATI tal vez. Acá les dejo unas fotos para que vean como está mi placa..