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Asus P5Q DELUXE (DDR2) Vs. MSI P45 DIAMONT (DDR3)…..

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02:49 09/06/2008

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a las papas…

Test Setup

Max OC

First we shall give the Asus board a chance to throw some punches and see if it has the power to match its snazzy packaging.
ASUS = 445*9 = 4006mhz

Well, there is no doubting now that the Asus certainly can walk the walk, pulling a whopping 4ghz and a max FSB of 513mhz. Again, only the Vcore adjustment (1.45v for FSB – 1.5v for max overclock) was needed to achieve this, and with everything else set on Auto this was perhaps the quickest and easiest overclock I have ever had the pleasure to witness. Sadly, without delving further into the BIOS settings and playing around with the GTL's I couldn't get any further, but a 1.6ghz overclock is certainly nothing to be sniffed at. Let's see how the MSI fairs

MSI = 433*9 = 3896mhz

Sadly the MSI didn't fair as well as the Asus, but still has nothing to be ashamed of with a very respectable overclock. There is, however, a very important factor here. In order to get to that overclock on the MSI, I spent a whole day adjusting settings and resetting the CMOS, chasing my tail and going around in circles. Have no doubts here: the MSI will bite you if you try and push things too far. Perhaps the most ridiculous feature of the MSI is the jumper settings. Not only are they positioned very badly (directly under the top most PCIe slot), but the motherboard manual is very vague about the use of them. It was only when I found out that I couldn't exceed 233 mhz in the BIOS that I realised something was desperately wrong.

I scoured the motherboard manual and found these jumpers. You have to set them correctly depending on your prospective overclock ambitions. If you don't, then you can get ready for some heartache and lots of BIOS resets. Luckily the BIOS reset switch is on the rear panel so it's relatively easy to reset; however, you then have to go through the BIOS setting it all up again for prefered boot drives, time, date, etc, and then try an alternative overclock. This was very frustrating as the BIOS is very thorough and shouldn't require the use of jumper settings to 'aid' you. It's not since the days of old AMD T-birds that I have had to use jumpers to overclock, and I certainly don't miss it after the trials this board has put me through.

Having said all that, the board does have potential and I'm sure the overclock could be increased given more time (and patience) to familiarise oneself with the quirkiness of the board. Sadly, due to time constraints this was the best I could do.

Benchs juegos@ 3.6ghz….






Conclusion…

Well, it has been quite a fight between the latest entrants into the motherboard arena. While no clear winner could be decided by knockout, I think that it is fair to say the Asus P5Q Deluxe is quite capable to punch above its weight. Lacking the extra bandwidth of the MSI didn't seem to affect the scoring too badly and the motherboard still showed there is still plenty of life left in DDR2.

The MSI, while a very capable board, was both disapointing and frustrating in the overclocking stakes. It was not so much the end result, but the effort it took to get there. While the Asus board was pretty much point and squirt yielding superior overclocks with minimal fuss, the MSI took much more effort to get any satisfactory results. Coupled with the awkward BIOS, poor overclocking recovery and silly jumpers, I feel this board is best left to those who either have the patience of a saint or the sado-masochists. I feel board has alot of potential, and in the right hands with a better laid out BIOS, could yield some fantastic results. Also, it is of little use planting fancy waterblocks (which are not of the best design either) to cool what is obviously an overclocker's chipset if the board simply refuses to budge high enough to warrant a watercooled solution.

Out of the two boards, the Asus performed better. However, it lets itself down with regards to accessories, an area in which the MSI shines. The included X-FI riser card was a great addition and good enough to put any onboard sound to shame. The MSI board had that feeling of luxury to it (despite its horrid colour scheme) whereas the Asus was shiny on the outside but dull on the inside. The copper heatpipe assembly on both boards could have been better thought out with better materials used. I do wish all manufacturers would refrain from sticking emblems onto the heatsinks themselves as it may look pretty but will no doubt have a detrimental effect on the cooling properties. The MSI's many on-board LED's, while again looked pretty, were at times confusing and the poorly written motherboard manual did little to help matters. Still, it is better than not having any indication of failure at all (ASUS).

Regardless of the above statements, both boards, depending on your needs and demeanour, will no doubt serve you well, with the P45 chipset making them a force to be reckoned with. But for me, the Asus just snatches victory with the skin of its silicon. The simplicity with which it overclocks without any fuss (it either boots or it doesn't and then recovers if it doesn't) makes for an easy ride when attempting to push your hardware without having to absorb all the headaches that go with it. Considering the Asus board is not top of the line, I cannot wait to see what is in store for the near future. For now, though, the Asus Backstreet brawler has pipped the pretty boy from MSI in the first round of what I'm sure will be some knockout summer motherboard releases.

fuente: Overclock3d

ASUS P5N-E SLI – E7200@4GHZ – VTB KILLER – 4GB G.SKILL PI BLACK 800MHZ (4-4-4-12) – HDD WD 320GB SATA2 – XFX 8800GS + ACCELERO S1 – SAMNSUNG 2253NW – X400 + S330D EDIFIER – POWERCOOLER PS-550XP

"No te preocupes Ricardo, el otro tambien sabe cual es el punto exacto donde explota al amar….. GUAMPUDO!!!"

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ecibad

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03:21 09/06/2008

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Buena info para todos aquellos que ya estan planeando un upgrade a P45

Entre Asus y MSI… parece que Asus

Saludos.

Pasa y enterate lo que podemos hacer juntos para ganarle a las enfermedades.
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Darlington

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03:42 09/06/2008

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No todo son Mhz,ni tampoco lo mas nuevo es lo mejor comparando precio/rendimiento.

Se agradece.

salu2

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06:09 09/06/2008

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Buena info para todos aquellos que ya estan planeando un upgrade a P45

Entre Asus y MSI… parece que Asus

Saludos.

jejeje, like me, la serie 7 de nvidia no me gusto mucho…. y los mobos con p45 estan saliendo lindos che…..

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No todo son Mhz,ni tampoco lo mas nuevo es lo mejor comparando precio/rendimiento.

Se agradece.

salu2

como sabes esa relacion si no se sabe cuanto dolerà…. ademàs se ve que no leiste el review… hay un par de mejoras en esos motherborads que son buenas para tener en cuenta….

EPU-6 engine, Express Gate, 16 fases de regulacion de voltaje, Dr. Mos, la nueva inclusion de capacitores Hi-c Cap….

a mi me tientan… mas estos que los actuales p35 que hay en el mercado… ademas de saber que el p45 no trae en si nada nuevo ademas de soportar nativamente 1600fsb, pci-e 2.0 (ni me interesa esto) y estar construido en menos nanometros que el p35 (menos temps, menos voltaje, mas oc)

vale aclarar que puse tientan no?….

de mi parte creo que vale la pena esperar mas informacion acerca del comportamiento de estos mothers, yo hace un tiempo ya quiero jubilar mi mother porque no me deja aprovechar mis otros componentes al 100% y eso realmente me molesta…

si mi mother funcionara como deberìa… ni lo dudes que seguiria con el hasta la muerte… (de 775 por lo menos)

ASUS P5N-E SLI – E7200@4GHZ – VTB KILLER – 4GB G.SKILL PI BLACK 800MHZ (4-4-4-12) – HDD WD 320GB SATA2 – XFX 8800GS + ACCELERO S1 – SAMNSUNG 2253NW – X400 + S330D EDIFIER – POWERCOOLER PS-550XP

"No te preocupes Ricardo, el otro tambien sabe cual es el punto exacto donde explota al amar….. GUAMPUDO!!!"

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Santi-Xtre

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07:50 09/06/2008

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Pues la MSI parece responder mejor al Crossfire que las ASUS, como contraparte esta última parece tener mejor OC. Estan parejas, linda review! Gracis por la info.

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10:52 09/06/2008

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Pues la MSI parece responder mejor al Crossfire que las ASUS, como contraparte esta última parece tener mejor OC. Estan parejas, linda review! Gracis por la info.

hum… creo que la diferencia se debe mas al mayor ancho de banda de memoria que provee las memorias ddr3…. igual habria que ver

dado que el ser en si el mismo chipset… no deberia haber diferencia "notebles" en el uso de crossfire… solo eso… aunque podria llegar a estar sucediendo lo que decis… creo que es mas probable que sea el uso de ddr3 lo que da esa ventaja en juegos…

ASUS P5N-E SLI – E7200@4GHZ – VTB KILLER – 4GB G.SKILL PI BLACK 800MHZ (4-4-4-12) – HDD WD 320GB SATA2 – XFX 8800GS + ACCELERO S1 – SAMNSUNG 2253NW – X400 + S330D EDIFIER – POWERCOOLER PS-550XP

"No te preocupes Ricardo, el otro tambien sabe cual es el punto exacto donde explota al amar….. GUAMPUDO!!!"